tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post8289740736993125218..comments2024-03-27T14:57:37.031+05:30Comments on Jabberwock: To Rome with Love and Death: thoughts on aging starsJabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-15037644431123083552012-09-29T21:24:58.443+05:302012-09-29T21:24:58.443+05:30At some point, as the rallies wore on, he transfor...<i>At some point, as the rallies wore on, he transformed in my mind’s eye from being one of the world’s most charismatic movie stars, the original 007 and a continuing object of adulation</i><br /><br />Talking of Sean Connery, don't you think he aged real quick?<br /><br />I've only seen him in 3-4 films. But he looked quite old by 1975 in the Huston film <i>The Man who Would be King</i><br /><br />Regarding Allen's monologues - I don't like them very much. He seems very pretentious and self-indulgent when he starts to address his audience. He is at his best when he makes his characters talk. The best monologues on life and death in Allen's work are not by Allen but by that Professor character in <i>Crimes and Misdemeanors</i> - my favourite 80s film by far.shrikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898755392584822638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-15325705025845378452012-09-28T00:11:40.585+05:302012-09-28T00:11:40.585+05:30Jai: I now wait with bated breath for your post on...Jai: I now wait with bated breath for your post on fabulous Hindi movie death scenes. Please please please do one. :DWinterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01918855601508617119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-48244992186478693102012-09-27T22:44:42.324+05:302012-09-27T22:44:42.324+05:30Winter: nice, but can't compare with the great...Winter: nice, but can't compare with the great Hindi-movie death scenes.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-72620028019383031012012-09-27T21:34:14.860+05:302012-09-27T21:34:14.860+05:30And while we are on the subject of death, please, ...And while we are on the subject of death, please, please, pretty please do share your thoughts on this piece of cinematic history at this youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6Cw_3q1Pg<br />Winterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01918855601508617119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-5609644509647150632012-09-27T15:23:55.149+05:302012-09-27T15:23:55.149+05:30Pessimist Fool: probably not about his films, but ...Pessimist Fool: probably not about his films, but I may have mentioned some of his published writings at some point. <br /><br />Anon: they are also public figures and it's the most natural thing in the world for a fan (or someone who has seen them over a long period) to write a personal reflection on how they - and our perceptions of them - change with time. Nothing patronising about it.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-90564586721951047932012-09-27T15:12:18.617+05:302012-09-27T15:12:18.617+05:30Jai: yeah its manifestation of his anger. i tried ...Jai: yeah its manifestation of his anger. i tried finding on your blog. if i am not mistaken, this is the first time you have dedicated one full post to Woody Allen. Isn't it?Pessimist Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057153008708242962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-66209422706450979192012-09-27T15:08:22.722+05:302012-09-27T15:08:22.722+05:30I found this article to be patronizing; i know you...I found this article to be patronizing; i know you mean well but Woody allen and sean connery have achieved greatness and although their physical prowess may have diminished i suspect that they would like to be treated as individuals and not as old men past their prime making public appearances and movies to invoke nostalgia. Stop ageism, and not just because it is the politically correct thing to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-65635383991177149132012-09-27T09:20:58.216+05:302012-09-27T09:20:58.216+05:30I realised what ReadnRyte meant to say, but when I...I realised what ReadnRyte meant to say, but when I saw you saying the same thing, I started doubting my own interpretation.<br /><br />Your English is far superior to mine, so... :)Radhika Oltikarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-28920558423022646092012-09-27T09:10:49.562+05:302012-09-27T09:10:49.562+05:30Radhika: yes, of course - my mistake. But reading ...Radhika: yes, of course - my mistake. But reading the original comment again, I'm not sure if that's what ReadnRyte intended. "Couldn't help not liking the autobiography" would mean that he didn't like it.<br /><br />Pessimist Fool: the death-obsession is in pretty much all his work (usually filtered through Bergman tributes or parodies). The bear-like creature isn't going to kill Allen in <i>Stardust Memories</i> - I think it's a manifestation of his suppressed anger.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-211740920964681742012-09-27T08:59:33.042+05:302012-09-27T08:59:33.042+05:30Woody Allen's obsession with death. Its there ...Woody Allen's obsession with death. Its there in Stardust Memories two. A bear or some animal is gonna kill Woody. Pessimist Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057153008708242962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-39832455111688552822012-09-27T08:31:39.080+05:302012-09-27T08:31:39.080+05:30Just curious, but doesn't "one cannot but...Just curious, but doesn't "one cannot but not like Chaplin" mean that that one cannot help disliking him? At least, that's the way I would have interpreted that statement, but I could well be wrong.<br /><br />Radhika Oltikarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-49741706865529565712012-09-27T07:53:16.242+05:302012-09-27T07:53:16.242+05:30Sudipta: yes, I got that. One can't claim to k...Sudipta: yes, I got that. One can't claim to know everything about one's subconscious imperatives, of course - but I wasn't in an especially melancholic mood (or not more than usual) when I wrote this. And it wasn't meant to be "just" a sentimental/nostalgic post (as a couple of other people I know have suggested) but a genuine attempt to touch on an aspect of the movie-going experience. I'll be using a version of this for my Business Standard film column anyway.<br /><br />P.S. that reference to a book-length lament for Bachchan was meant non-seriously - much as AB has meant to me as a viewer over the decades, I'm certainly not gutted about him turning old.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-79354507048319096322012-09-27T06:46:20.978+05:302012-09-27T06:46:20.978+05:30Jai: That scene was indeed very far from melanchol...Jai: That scene was indeed very far from melancholia :-) I was making a generic comment on the overall tone of your recent posts.Sudipta Bhattacharjeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-88040281059225845242012-09-27T00:12:54.953+05:302012-09-27T00:12:54.953+05:30ReadnRyte: yes, read it a long while ago (and not ...ReadnRyte: yes, read it a long while ago (and not with full interest, I have to say - wasn't much into Chaplin at the time). There certainly is something Dickensian about his early life.<br /><br />I don't know about "one cannot but not like Chaplin" though. If you read some of the things other people have written about him, he can come across as highly unlikeable in some ways.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-87278193412479367622012-09-27T00:03:47.920+05:302012-09-27T00:03:47.920+05:30Tangentially...have you read Chaplin's autobio...Tangentially...have you read Chaplin's autobiography? I am not that fond of autobiographies in general, but couldn't help not liking it. It read more like a Dickensian tale...or maybe it was because one cannot but not like Chaplin.<br />Your thoughts?ReadnRytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00209735777668026556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-27025956053441061622012-09-26T21:24:34.699+05:302012-09-26T21:24:34.699+05:30Sudipto: no, hadn't read that Rosenbaum piece ...Sudipto: no, hadn't read that Rosenbaum piece - thanks. Some interesting thoughts there on the whole copying-vs-homage subject too, which, as you know, is much in the news these days in the context of India's Oscar submission.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-84355154885960111842012-09-26T20:44:46.968+05:302012-09-26T20:44:46.968+05:30Just as an aside, have you read this? http://www.j...Just as an aside, have you read this? http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/?p=21337%EF%BB%BFSudipto Basuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272783734959529945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-12071935799362488882012-09-26T20:26:10.588+05:302012-09-26T20:26:10.588+05:30Sudipta: melancholia?! Didn't you see the Love...Sudipta: melancholia?! Didn't you see the <i>Love and Death</i> scene? I think I may have written this post just so I could put that up. Love that dance.<br /><br />About Bachchan, no - I think more than enough will be written in the coming weeks, and I may need to take a break from the Internet just to avoid seeing it...Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-77096194941228983492012-09-26T18:57:55.251+05:302012-09-26T18:57:55.251+05:30Nice post, Jai - somehow there is a heightened sen...Nice post, Jai - somehow there is a heightened sense of melancholia in your recent posts, (understandably)which makes them more touching/relatable than your more clinical posts. I sincerely hope that you would take up the book-sized (or atleast a 3-4000 word blog sized) lament on Amitabh's 70th - he himself doesn't seem to be bothered though :-) (except for the occasional rant that he would have loved to be a hero in these times, when there are more exciting scripts etc). The Woody Allen scenes referred by you somehow didn't induce the differential reactions in me - it seemed like usual Allen. I guess, in my mind, he has always been old (like A K Hangal :-) Sudipta Bhattacharjeenoreply@blogger.com