tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post4333798874482547377..comments2024-03-27T14:57:37.031+05:30Comments on Jabberwock: Ghosts and relics in Sahib Bibi aur GhulamJabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-62978653975129261352012-01-29T07:53:30.544+05:302012-01-29T07:53:30.544+05:30" a much better print would have been nice&qu..." a much better print would have been nice" YES! I finally got around to watching this last night and LOVED it, by my Ultra print was exactly as you describe your Moser Baer. Not only that, but the cover said "approx 144 min" and my player said 2:03 when Bhoothnath & Jabba rode off together at the very end. Your EXCELLENT review really makes me want to find a print that does this film justice. Thank you so much for your thoughtful & insightful summarymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042500344000182850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-75092364466287192992011-10-10T23:53:12.937+05:302011-10-10T23:53:12.937+05:30Shrikanth,this from Bogie's wiki page-
"M...Shrikanth,this from Bogie's wiki page-<br />"Many Bogart biographers and actress/writer Louise Brooks agree that the role is the closest to Bogart's real self and is considered among his best performances.[94] She wrote that the film “gave him a role that he could play with complexity, because the film character's pride in his art, his selfishness, drunkenness, lack of energy stabbed with lightning strokes of violence were shared by the real Bogart”<br /><br />Anyhow, apart from this obvious similarity, I think the characters were similar to each other as well. Both had painted themselves into a corner, and so to speak, were "In a lonely place"- lived in a world in their minds which was at odds with the immediate real world as seen by others - they were unaccepting of the banality of their situation.Rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600228969911790479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-14953960410744677072011-10-10T12:33:58.842+05:302011-10-10T12:33:58.842+05:30i just read reviews about the movie.. i hope it wi...i just read reviews about the movie.. i hope it will be interesting to watch.Vodafone Indiahttp://www.readandbuy.com/telecom-companies/vodafonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-57111086226957899062011-10-09T06:49:08.176+05:302011-10-09T06:49:08.176+05:30i actually haven't seen this movie yet but you...i actually haven't seen this movie yet but your post makes me want to!Life Unordinaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14500378311526554168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-73870289300440458442011-10-08T16:07:40.433+05:302011-10-08T16:07:40.433+05:30Rahul: Are you sure Bogie in In a Lonely Place mir...Rahul: Are you sure Bogie in <i>In a Lonely Place</i> mirrors his real life persona? From what I've heard about him, he was a well balanced person. Anything but a hyper-emotional self-destructive writer.<br /><br />His real life persona was probably closer to the roles he played in films like <i>The Barefoot Contessa</i> or <i>Beat the Devil</i> as opposed to the Nicholas Ray film you mention.shrikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898755392584822638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-34015496830192030292011-10-07T16:37:53.346+05:302011-10-07T16:37:53.346+05:30dusted off: true about the contrast - the scenes o...dusted off: true about the contrast - the scenes outside the <i>haveli</i> are definitely shot with more light (and usually take place in the daytime). Would probably have been able to appreciate that better if I had watched a decent print.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-90017784985962793492011-10-07T12:31:00.327+05:302011-10-07T12:31:00.327+05:30Brilliant post as usual Jai. The scene that you me...Brilliant post as usual Jai. The scene that you mention about her staggering and covering her head is extremely evocative. Since we are on this topic, if you can get your hands on it, there's this book written by Bimal Mitra about his brief stint with the Hindi film industry and mainly Guru Dutt during Sahib Biwi aur Ghulam. His observations about Guru Dutt as an artist and as a flawed human are deeply moving. Also has gems about the making of SB&G. I had read the Hindi translation of it called - 'Bichade sabhi baari baari', no clue if an English translation is out. - Gopi PuthranAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-74749030107210281072011-10-07T10:34:32.316+05:302011-10-07T10:34:32.316+05:30Superb post, Jai. Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam depressed ...Superb post, Jai. Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam depressed me utterly when I saw it as a child, but it rates now as one of my favourite Hindi films from the 50s and 60s. <br /><br />I also found an interesting contrast in the contrasting cinematography between scenes set in Jaba's home and in haveli. The latter is overwhelmingly gloomy and dark (and I think the bad print quality enhances that!), while Jaba's home has much more sunshine. That, I thought, was a fine way of accentuating the difference between Jaba's life and that of the Chhoti Bahu's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-54186829021479260722011-10-07T10:20:55.912+05:302011-10-07T10:20:55.912+05:30Anon: no I haven't, but it's high on my to...Anon: no I haven't, but it's high on my to-see list.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-77994707701579825672011-10-07T10:00:55.903+05:302011-10-07T10:00:55.903+05:30Re ' I had no real opinion on Jimmy Shergill b...Re ' I had no real opinion on Jimmy Shergill before this': Have you seen Haasil? I thought he was excellentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-77234752575317821612011-10-07T08:26:55.828+05:302011-10-07T08:26:55.828+05:30Rahul: that's a very interesting comparison wi...Rahul: that's a very interesting comparison with Bogie in <i>In a Lonely Place</i> - didn't quite think of it that way before.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-39785444682776996002011-10-07T08:25:03.684+05:302011-10-07T08:25:03.684+05:30Pessimist Fool: actually, I disagree quite strongl...Pessimist Fool: actually, I disagree quite strongly - I had no real opinion on Jimmy Shergill before this, but I thought he was excellent in this role and captured the tight-lipped nawab really well. His surface is highly undemonstrative (perhaps that's why you thought he was "flat" or didn't deliver the lines as you would have liked him to) but I got a definite sense of the sharp mind working away beneath that surface, and of a man whose societal conditioning is often at odds with the situations he finds himself in.<br /><br />Mahie Gill I'm slightly divided about, but I didn't think there was anything wrong with that plate-throwing scene. This is an unbalanced woman who is often mechanically playing a role - have to keep that in mind while judging the performance.<br /><br />Also, more generally, I think the better Bollywood films of recent times have had some outstanding performances in them and the overall standard of acting is higher than it was a few decades ago. Lastly, I disagree about Madhur Bhandarkar: poor acting is hardly the most serious problem with his films!Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-47591393016085978272011-10-07T01:35:02.115+05:302011-10-07T01:35:02.115+05:30the acting in sahib biwi aur gangster was really b...the acting in sahib biwi aur gangster was really bad...jimmy shergill is flat...he had some good lines like in the scene he goes to meet the minister and finds two people in the loo, but he just couldn't deliver them...and Mahie acted so poorly in the scene when she throws the plate on hooda's face...i just don't know but haven't u felt that bollywood films have absolutely no impact in terms of acting at least...some of the films of Madhur Bhandarkar could have better with better actors..but Corporate, Fashion all were ruined by bad actorsPessimist Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06057153008708242962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-5603256917731334312011-10-06T23:55:59.201+05:302011-10-06T23:55:59.201+05:30While watching Saat Khoon Maaf I was reminded of t...While watching Saat Khoon Maaf I was reminded of this film again and again. <br />Its remarkably poignant that just like Bogie in "In a Lonely place", MK's reel life persona cuts too close for comfort to her real life one.<br />Nice write up!It makes me want to read the book and see the movie again.Rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600228969911790479noreply@blogger.com