tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post5725143956218633417..comments2024-03-18T19:46:10.130+05:30Comments on Jabberwock: They also served: Navin Nischol, Farley GrangerJabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-71781151642170461522011-05-05T08:21:59.291+05:302011-05-05T08:21:59.291+05:30Just read this post - you have to watch Khosla Ka ...Just read this post - you have to watch Khosla Ka Ghosla, an excellent film that dusted the cobwebs off Navin Nishchol (whom I found good-looking but effete during my teen years!) for me.<br /><br />CheersManreet Sodhi Someshwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01566345149225306647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-77814050454493065932011-04-27T04:36:03.154+05:302011-04-27T04:36:03.154+05:30Navin Nishchol also appeared opposite Amitabh in &...Navin Nishchol also appeared opposite Amitabh in "Desh Premee" (that Amit Kumar/Kishore Kumar number "Ja Jaldi Bhag Ja" is filmed on the two of them). Of course, I'll probably remember him most for being the actor lip syncing to that unforgettable Kishore Kumar number "Raat Kali Ek Khwab Mein Aai".Rajeevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-36147247683976318542011-04-24T12:35:16.881+05:302011-04-24T12:35:16.881+05:30sd268: belatedly re-addressing your comment with s...sd268: belatedly re-addressing your comment with something I should have made clear much earlier: in the first place, I don't automatically associate homosexuality with qualities like "limp-wristed" and "effete" in men. I have those qualities to varying degrees myself, and I'm hetero (or was last I checked).Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-32883816640685819132011-04-24T12:32:19.392+05:302011-04-24T12:32:19.392+05:30Kits: thanks!
A fan apart: Jaane bhi do Yaaro - a...Kits: thanks!<br /><br />A fan apart: <i>Jaane bhi do Yaaro</i> - aargh! Will take a pass on that one for now. Though seriously, if we're talking about Indian cinema, <i>Pather Panchali</i> before anything else.<br /><br /><i>I sometimes wonder if Hitchcock deliberately made an attempt to sound stupid in interviews!</i><br /><br />shrikanth: you're hardly the first to wonder. I mentioned that Holden thing in my Strangers post. It would have diminished the film for sure, even if Holden had found a way to play Guy as um, limp-wristed.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-74543896595649593462011-04-22T18:04:46.407+05:302011-04-22T18:04:46.407+05:30Jai: Yeah. Night of the Hunter and Breathless are ...Jai: Yeah. Night of the Hunter and Breathless are surely much stronger contenders than <i>They Live by Night.</i><br /><br />As always, my myopic studio-era centric view caused me to overlook the "continental" candidates.<br /><br />Haven't seen any of Olivier's Shakespeare adaptations.<br /><br />Granger's casting in Strangers on a Train was a brilliant, inspired move! However, I remember reading Hitchcock saying that he would've preferred a more "robust" actor like William Holden! That would've spoilt the film for me.<br /><br />I sometimes wonder if Hitchcock deliberately made an attempt to sound stupid in interviews!shrikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898755392584822638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-65584602035993750392011-04-22T18:04:00.014+05:302011-04-22T18:04:00.014+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.shrikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898755392584822638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-15549455131755628512011-04-22T16:36:37.857+05:302011-04-22T16:36:37.857+05:30Jabberwock, i think sd286 is your secret imaginary...Jabberwock, i <i>think</i> sd286 is your secret imaginary friend! sd286!!? hahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-80604490129209280432011-04-22T15:34:24.715+05:302011-04-22T15:34:24.715+05:30Jai: Whoops. Always thought Altman started with MA...Jai: Whoops. Always thought Altman started with MASH.<br /><br />Roeg, with Walkabout (or Performance, as co-director).<br /><br />Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron?a fan aparthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243109684980740841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-62606007485397567072011-04-22T14:41:30.569+05:302011-04-22T14:41:30.569+05:30Lovely read as alwaysLovely read as alwaysKitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14754147307671510630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-72334689613396817682011-04-22T13:04:17.183+05:302011-04-22T13:04:17.183+05:30A fan apart: MASH wasn't Altman's first fe...A fan apart: MASH wasn't Altman's first feature. And if we're including <i>Un Chien Andalou</i>, we'll have to include other short films made by directors before their feature-length debuts.<br /><br />Bunuel's <i>L'Age D'Or</i> would be a worthy candidate though.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-89880419808446457922011-04-22T12:55:41.622+05:302011-04-22T12:55:41.622+05:30Sorry Sri, missed the "second best" bit....Sorry Sri, missed the "second best" bit. Should have known Kane was unlikely to have slipped through unnoticed. <br /><br />This Sporting Life. Un Chien Andalou.a fan aparthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243109684980740841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-55615027219609748982011-04-22T12:53:30.281+05:302011-04-22T12:53:30.281+05:30Yes indeed my memory was playing tricks on me.I re...Yes indeed my memory was playing tricks on me.I remember seeing Hangover Square a few years ago and going Woah! why isn't this guy well known? And then learnt of his untimely death.Rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600228969911790479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-49530026482066190512011-04-22T12:46:17.671+05:302011-04-22T12:46:17.671+05:30Badlands. MASH. And that little indie called Citiz...Badlands. MASH. And that little indie called Citizen Kanea fan aparthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04243109684980740841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-16338628199183309482011-04-22T09:19:00.403+05:302011-04-22T09:19:00.403+05:30his co-star in Rope, John Dall, acted in a very si...<i>his co-star in Rope, John Dall, acted in a very similar couple-on-the-run film around the same time - Gun Crazy.</i><br /><br />Shrikanth: think we've discussed this in another context before, right? Perhaps in the comments of an earlier post. (Incidentally the original short story "Gun Crazy" is included in <a href="http://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/2011/01/noirs-arc-notes-on-excellent-anthology.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> noir anthology. Quite different from the film.)<br /><br />About second-best debut film: I'd probably go with <i>Night of the Hunter</i>. There are a few non-American candidates too, <i>Breathless</i> and <i>The 400 Blows</i> among them.<br /><br />And heck, what about Olivier's <i>Henry V</i>?Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-39771473588411708692011-04-22T08:55:40.307+05:302011-04-22T08:55:40.307+05:30Granger's death means that there's hardly ...Granger's death means that there's hardly any lead actor still alive who was active in late 40s Hollywood, besides the Havilland sisters.<br /><br />Talking of <i>They Live by Night</i>, his co-star in <i>Rope</i>, John Dall, acted in a very similar <i>couple-on-the-run</i> film around the same time - <i>Gun Crazy</i>. <br /><br />Both these films, along with Lang's <i>You Only Live Once</i> are worthy, underrated precursors to Arthur Penn's much celebrated <i>Bonny and Clyde</i>.<br /><br />And yes, Nick Ray's <i>They Live by Night</i> is a strong contender to being regarded as "the second best debut film by a director ever". No prizes for guessing the best debut film ever!shrikanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898755392584822638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-82977578534360365062011-04-22T08:31:39.296+05:302011-04-22T08:31:39.296+05:30Rahul: yes, Cregar was an interesting actor (defin...Rahul: yes, Cregar was an interesting actor (definitely not 1960s though) - he played the Devil in Lubitsch's Heaven Can Wait, which I mentioned <a href="http://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/2010/11/pov-15-sympathy-for-devil.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-16074710031072929942011-04-22T02:59:43.860+05:302011-04-22T02:59:43.860+05:30After some concerted googling , I found the man.
h...After some concerted googling , I found the man.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird_CregarRahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600228969911790479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-59366554135516249992011-04-22T01:18:19.117+05:302011-04-22T01:18:19.117+05:30Navin nishchol was the leading man of quite a few ...Navin nishchol was the leading man of quite a few 70 s films and not just a song appearance..movies like Buddha mil Gaya, Victoria no 203, and last but not the least. Hanste zakhm .... To name a few !AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-41384598195235077002011-04-22T00:33:58.750+05:302011-04-22T00:33:58.750+05:30chris FARLEY HOLLYWOOD NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...chris FARLEY HOLLYWOOD NINJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-71596544285457966692011-04-22T00:29:50.817+05:302011-04-22T00:29:50.817+05:30Jai, an off topic question. There was a promising...Jai, an off topic question. There was a promising Hollywood actor, slightly overweight, in the 60s probably. He had charisma but due his weight didn't get many leading roles. When he tried to lose weight unfortunately he suffered a heart attack and he died.<br />His name slips me. Do you know who he is?Rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600228969911790479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-77896530666333536712011-04-21T22:59:33.328+05:302011-04-21T22:59:33.328+05:30Jai, in many musings you tend to mention a lot of ...Jai, in many musings you tend to mention a lot of trivia which enriches the post, which is why I thought that this was something you might have included. <br /><br />Also, although the stances have been clarified about the supposed undertones of homosexuality, the exchange of thoughts did remind me of a Russell Peters act, where he said joked about how much of taboo it is to call a black person, "black". Same with homosexuality, I feel it is more of a taboo to call someone a homosexual, than it is to be homosexual yourself!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-23528838879068833542011-04-21T19:41:49.444+05:302011-04-21T19:41:49.444+05:30sd268: in your first comment you said "i'...sd268: in your first comment you said "i'm sure its unintended" but you <i>also</i> said "it looks like you are aware of the subtext and are somehow uncomfortable with it" - that's a mixed signal, to say the least, and I addressed your comment the way I thought appropriate.<br /><br />Anyway, since we've both clarified our stances, let's put this to rest now and perhaps talk about something more edifying: do you think Nischol had a secret crush on Amitabh?Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-87694612121942442272011-04-21T19:38:21.619+05:302011-04-21T19:38:21.619+05:30Surprisingly you didn't mention that Robert Wa...<i>Surprisingly you didn't mention that Robert Walker (the twisted murderer in Strangers...) died long before Granger-just like in the film</i><br /><br />rantingsofadelusionalmind: well, since we're all now counting the things I <i>didn't mention</i> in this post, what about the stories about Hitchcock's cruel jokes on his gay leading men such as Ivor Novello and Montgomery Clift? And about a million other things, many of which have no connection to cinema at all!<br /><br />Not sure why it's surprising that I didn't mention Walker's early demise in a post about a tenuous link between Farley Granger and Navin Nischol. (It IS mentioned in my old <i>Strangers on a Train</i> post though.)<br /><br /><i>despite his untimely demise, he is more popular than Granger</i><br /><br />True, but it would have been interesting to see if that fame had lasted if he had lived to a ripe old age (while never becoming a big star).Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-36104609225837974792011-04-21T19:38:16.894+05:302011-04-21T19:38:16.894+05:30Jai - not sure you read through my first comment, ...Jai - not sure you read through my first comment, where I said "I'm sure it's unintended" - so not sure why you feel the need to clarify that it's unintentional! :)sd268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-80149697282680166632011-04-21T19:35:22.972+05:302011-04-21T19:35:22.972+05:30I have never said anything about your avoiding of ...I have never said anything about your avoiding of gay stuff in general - not having read your blog except occasionally, I have no grounds on which to judge! <br /><br />I'm just pointing out what jumped out at me about this post, that I suspect it's entirely unintentional, and why I think it is relevant and therefore an odd omission. <br /><br />So there's no need to take it as an attack on your, err, entire "body" (of work)! :)sd268noreply@blogger.com