tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post113198935405660886..comments2024-03-18T19:46:10.130+05:30Comments on Jabberwock: Bigotry and confusion in NRI-landJabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-7050137593135752622015-05-18T06:19:46.381+05:302015-05-18T06:19:46.381+05:30"...because India is a rising power and not a..."...because India is a rising power and not a Sub-Saharan banana republic" ... Ahhh! At least try to couch your bigotry... I'd hate to think what you think anyone of a darker hue than you.coldtuskerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11310224592572460759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-91340576717640429172009-02-27T04:19:00.000+05:302009-02-27T04:19:00.000+05:30now..now..that was a predictable rant dude. i wond...now..now..that was a predictable rant dude. i wonder whether what you saw was more placed in the earlier generation, while the later NRI s do not necessarily come from the same stock. much like in india itself. you almost if not actually, fell into the us and them trap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-80682665629579860642007-12-18T16:32:00.000+05:302007-12-18T16:32:00.000+05:30“What has gone wrong with the country we loved and...<I>“What has gone wrong with the country we loved and left?”</I><BR/><BR/>I cracked up after reading this line :)Kartikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067636999700672077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-39864946239824231392007-09-09T09:01:00.000+05:302007-09-09T09:01:00.000+05:30Good points, except for the Sonia Gandhi one. Why ...Good points, except for the Sonia Gandhi one. Why should she be allowed to become the PM when she didn't take the citizenship for so long? That doesn't show her love for India, and all she's doing right now is to make sure that the <I>gaddi</I> is there for her son. Nehru-Gandhi dynasty continues. I'm also wondering if you and others would be so "liberal" if Sonia Gandhi was black. I highly doubt it.<BR/>-AmitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-33465958714426991872007-08-17T16:22:00.000+05:302007-08-17T16:22:00.000+05:30Excellent post Jai. Not sure what kinda people wou...Excellent post Jai. Not sure what kinda people would want to spend their life being a "colour". Yeah that's what these NRI's leaving in the UK/US are classified as - BROWN. So if you're brown you'll all be treated the same & it doesn't matter if you went to some top notch college in your country and someother dude with no education whatsoever who got in thru one of his relatives. To the locals all brown people are the same. Next time some NRI brags about living abroad just show him place - which is nowhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1153282661071369782006-07-19T09:47:00.000+05:302006-07-19T09:47:00.000+05:30I just saw this posting through a link on your hom...I just saw this posting through a link on your home page. Dude, right on on all things except the PM-ship stuff.<BR/><BR/>Come the heck on -- yes, it was legal, but when someone takes on citizenship for the sake of expediency, years and years and years after they qualified to be a citizen, what right do they have to the premier position? That aside, are there ANY qualifications, beyond having married into the family?? No, absolutely none (on that note, though, I'd have to admit that almost no other politician is qulified either). But my point here is there is NO extenuating circumstance that calls out that she deserves it.<BR/><BR/>The US and many other countries require the President to be born in the country to be able to be eligible. Do you think that even for a moment that they'd consider electing someone who was born somewhere else?? Forget the US, in almost any other country on earth, it would be unheard of. Let's not extend the term "liberal" to the acceptance of *everything*. <BR/><BR/>Finally, in hindsight, she's completely in charge any way. All upside, no downside. Sad that a man of Manmohan's quality is reduced to a dumb, nodding puppet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132552467239577542005-11-21T11:24:00.000+05:302005-11-21T11:24:00.000+05:30Lunatrip: That's an interesting perspective about ...Lunatrip: That's an interesting perspective about bigotry being generic to Indians - if true, it might well have to do with notions about how rich and superior our culture and tradition are, and the consequent close-mindedness towards others.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I didn't mean to suggest that NRIs are the only Indians who have such beliefs. Living in India, one gets to see firsthand (even among members of one's own family) the revulsion for black people, the pejorative use of the word "habshi", even racist terms in newspapers when there's a story on the cocaine underground in Delhi etc - and much else in terms of religious and casteist discrimination. And I've always found it amusing the way people in this country go on so self-righteously about racism in white countries when they themselves treat browner people like cockroaches.Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132548043523500282005-11-21T10:10:00.000+05:302005-11-21T10:10:00.000+05:30Compliments first: Jai, I really enjoy reading you...Compliments first: Jai, I really enjoy reading your blog and get lots of "What? That's happened to someone else too?" moments when I do.<BR/><BR/>On the bigotry of NRIs -- I think it is just the bigotry of Indians brought to the fore by actually having to interact with lots of different races and cultures. People in India think obnoxious things about Africans too, but they may not feel compelled to vent as freely since there's no black driver in the next lane. <BR/><BR/>Just to go by the papers in Delhi, we only see Africa(ns) through two prisms. One is the drug dealer - "Three Nigerians arrested with cocaine" is a headline every other day. The other is Africa as a monolithic backward place that exists to make us look good by comparison. <BR/><BR/>The other day I read an article on street children in India called something like "Africa at the traffic lights." I wonder if over there they read articles entitled "Calcutta at the traffic lights"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132237111380622492005-11-17T19:48:00.000+05:302005-11-17T19:48:00.000+05:30nice post, jainice post, jaithe cowlickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05028131081089683317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132203609817564362005-11-17T10:30:00.000+05:302005-11-17T10:30:00.000+05:30stupidity has no boundaries i guess.stupidity has no boundaries i guess.wise donkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084116949920234832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132172221631432902005-11-17T01:47:00.000+05:302005-11-17T01:47:00.000+05:30Reading this was like hearing someone say my inner...Reading this was like hearing someone say my inner thoughts out loud. Very eloquently put and a very well written article about a really important issue. I have been over this countless times beating my head against the wall just wishing people would just shut up about racial and cultural prejudices and irrational bias and learn to live a little and love a little more. <BR/>Very nice read. Thank you!M (tread softly upon)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17663502888158468025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132066418763971622005-11-15T20:23:00.000+05:302005-11-15T20:23:00.000+05:30This is an execlletn write up... I use to think th...This is an execlletn write up... I use to think that most people accept these things(it is just me being unusual)Shobhna Srivastavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18084614496466853961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132055095406394892005-11-15T17:14:00.000+05:302005-11-15T17:14:00.000+05:30very interesting... i've been in London for just o...very interesting... i've been in London for just over a year now and as most of our friends have been here for just a few years themselves it's nice to get an insight in to the minds of long term residents. (note to self - what not to become)The ramblings of a shoe fiendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193183543700543479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132049315005348862005-11-15T15:38:00.000+05:302005-11-15T15:38:00.000+05:30Very well said. No wonder (some)Indians don't get/...Very well said. No wonder (some)Indians don't get/deserve respect outside their country....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132045719887648822005-11-15T14:38:00.000+05:302005-11-15T14:38:00.000+05:30So what's your point? The farther you go, the clos...So what's your point? The farther you go, the closer you hold on to your prejudices. Or something like that. There is no hope in this world. Everyone's pimping. Everyone's a whore. And the only salvation is in blogging. such are the cathartic joys of blogging. Umm...where were we. Ah yes, lovely blog.Subramaniam Avinashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07854755090851944419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132040930371249222005-11-15T13:18:00.000+05:302005-11-15T13:18:00.000+05:30in my experience, i find much of the same sort of ...in my experience, i find much of the same sort of conversation in india as well. some pretty much identical conversation, in fact, from people in bombay who have never even left the country. also, i don't think it's fair to paint all NRIs with the same brush. i had a pretty dim opinion of them as well until i hung out with quite a few and found that they're pretty much the same as us here. their lives are the same, their conversations, their thoughts and ideas, their problems and their worries; it's all pretty much the same. just in a different place and different context. i ramble, but the point i'm trying to make is that NRIs aren't really a bad sort.Leo Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00325785953464914250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132035780564754912005-11-15T11:53:00.000+05:302005-11-15T11:53:00.000+05:30Fool on the Hill: DVDs. Will post a list soon.Rumm...Fool on the Hill: DVDs. Will post a list soon.<BR/><BR/>Rumman, Swati: I’ll have to wait until someone mails me photos. Took hardly any with my own camera. These were enormous, busy functions with 600-odd people and not many opportunities to get pics taken apart from the official ones.<BR/>Will try to post a couple though, if they’ve turned out okay.<BR/><BR/>Arzan: yup, am taking a bit of a risk here. Some people from that side of the family do know about the blog, though they aren’t too interested in it!Jabberwockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10210195396120573794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132034956301622432005-11-15T11:39:00.000+05:302005-11-15T11:39:00.000+05:30Sir,To think about an Italian, who only applied fo...Sir,<BR/><BR/>To think about an Italian, who only applied for Indian citizenship on 1984 due to a contingency, becoming the PM of India is definitely not a liberal thought. The fact that such a scenario was going to be a reality should drive all Indians to think about a legislation, which prevents such emergencies to take place in the future. <BR/><BR/>I think most Indians would be fine with Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Arabs and the whole lot of them running for the office of the mayor, municipality, public utilities and other such offices, provided they have been residents of India for a substantial length of time. <BR/><BR/>But it is very crucial to understand that certain offices are sacrosanct. They are sacrosanct because India is a rising power and not a Sub-Saharan banana republic. To think about a lady who lived 22 years of her life as an Italian and took Indian citizenship after 16 years of residence in India, as the PM of India is definitely something of deep concern. Those who think otherwise are either imbecilic in their thinking or consider India as being no better than a bloody banana republic.Pankajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05394328911980876552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132025671975941712005-11-15T09:04:00.000+05:302005-11-15T09:04:00.000+05:30this insularity is something these NRIs need to su...this insularity is something these NRIs need to sustain themselves and their identities without which it is very difficult to survive in the alien land.<BR/><BR/>btw, good to see a "political" post on this blog :)Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132022106144863082005-11-15T08:05:00.000+05:302005-11-15T08:05:00.000+05:30well said.hope your uncle does not read your blog....well said.<BR/><BR/>hope your uncle does not read your blog....or the next time u visit london check in at the youth hostel !!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132017314316232152005-11-15T06:45:00.000+05:302005-11-15T06:45:00.000+05:30I'm more worried about that girl being disowned by...I'm more worried about that girl being disowned by her parents. We all get to be model minorities outside but we get to keep our prejudices as well. And that's the way it is.Ananghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093712350047601404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132007812188632862005-11-15T04:06:00.000+05:302005-11-15T04:06:00.000+05:30all very true. my recent experience in this small ...all very true. my recent experience in this small mexican town with 10 Indian families is revealing. At the recent diwali celebration I did not perform arati when the diya was handed to me. I thought that to be a bit too much for a lefty bong like me. the diya continued on its round and was passed from hand to hand. Within a few days a senior member of the community enquired on my religion. On hearing that I do not practice any, he wanted to know whether I was a Brahmo. So thats the diaspora in latin america for youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132006977872735492005-11-15T03:52:00.000+05:302005-11-15T03:52:00.000+05:30I suspect there's a little more at play here than ...I suspect there's a little more at play here than mere insularity. My theory is that the fact of having to interact with people from other parts of the world makes national 'culture' a more salient part of how people define themselves. This means that NRIs are more rigid about their identity (to the point of being bigoted) because they are hyper-conscious of deviations from tradition, which they see as attacks on their own self-image. This is narcissism of small differences - NRIs are more inflexible about their Indian-ness precisely because they use it to differentiate themselves from everyone else in ways that those who live in India can't and don't. <BR/><BR/>P.S. Good to have you back.Falstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09791162324919462038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132005429152404452005-11-15T03:27:00.000+05:302005-11-15T03:27:00.000+05:30Precisely because they aren't "citizens of the wor...Precisely because they aren't "citizens of the world" in any meaningful sort of way. The mere act of being transplanted to a foreign land would not make you revise your worldview, unless you engage with the altered socio-cultural space in an open and receptive manner. <BR/><BR/>Also many NRIs (at least in the US) come from relatively privileged backgrounds (educated middle-class) and confining themselves to an exclusively Indian circle and maintaining status quo is one way of holding on to that sense of entitlement. <BR/><BR/>And before I forget, welcome back! I send the bandhgala photo motion, bring on the uploads!thalassa_mikrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942716364297839680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204542.post-1132004618832084972005-11-15T03:13:00.000+05:302005-11-15T03:13:00.000+05:30Exactly, exactly, a lot of NRIs in the UK are exac...Exactly, exactly, a lot of NRIs in the UK are exactly like that. Have had experiences like that with my own uncles, but in the US.MumbaiGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04402018812207002294noreply@blogger.com